Fiat Abarth 1600 OT Berlina remake Fred Winkel

[fredabarth]

hallo ,I now this  but probleme was sending  this parts to me (VERY EXPENCIEF)I was  speaking withthem . Mayby someone have a ideé?   I wish to have one  for my Periscope project

Hello Trevor,

How are you doing?
Yes, I'm back in the groove!!! The engine is ready and also the gearbox. They are going in very soon.
Yesterday I put in the driverside door. It took 5 minutes and it was ready. Hopefully al the other stuff eill go as quick as the door!!

You are also still busy with your friends OT? Any progress?
I will go on with the car and to drive it in 2015!!(I hope, hahhahahahahha)

[vstar]

Hi fredabarth
I am another crazy enough to start the replica project.
Got some Fiat already and thought something out of the blue would be nice to have.
However I had no idea what scarce information there is.
And I am more than glad that I found your page.
I will try to go for Mostra replica and hopefully you will not mind some questions.
Most important one would be gearbox - you all mention Porsche 901 - I guess you mean part number for the shell
In this shell there were internals for a lot of different 911 models - would you mind which model internals do you suggest?
Where is the best source to get the adapter from?
Do you know if anyone has any doc, prints or photos of the rear suspension made out of pipes?
OT1600 has 5j and 7j wheels - do you know if Mostra goes for OT2000 Coupe set 7j and 8j?
Do you still have some made parts for sell?
You have mentioned dry sump option with the oil tank in the front - however I can see traditional oil sump in your engine?!
Any idea if it is possible to get abarth heads for 2.0 engine - what kind of timing was used there - it does not look like belt driven.
I have 850 body stripped and ready for whatever needed - just I am not yet sure what's needed :)
Sorry for so many questions for the introductory post - but I had them going all over my head.
All the best to everyone trying to bring back former fiat glory :)

[fredabarth]

Hello Vstar,

No problem if want to ask more, just do.

One request from me, please make your own topic at this forum so I, and others, can follow your project.

Great that you also start an OT1600/2000 berlina/mostra project.

I use a 911-gearbox and that is the 901 type box. It is a standard type gearbox and I don't change it internal.
I will look for the number at the gearbox and maybe you can find out what type box it is.
The adapter I've got was made by PBS in the USA, but there is also a company that made them see www.millersmule.com
I've got no extra info about the Mostra rearsuspension. I've got all the articles about the OT1600.
There is one pic at the internet of the OT2000.
Abarth used a chain to make the camshafts turn. I'm using an engine from a Fiat ritmo 105TC.
Abarth heads like the one on th original car are very rare to find and will not fit a Fiat 2.0l engine.
I think that the mostra was using whider wheels than the 1600. So the 7 and 8j are sounds good.
I'm not using a dry sump at my car, but I want to make a replica as close as the originalone, so I made the drysump tank in
the front of the car.
Do I have some parts for sale?? I make a lot of the parts myself and I can reproduce them. I'm almost ready to make the first rearspoiler out of my mold. I will place some pictures soon!

Hopefully I've answered all your questions and again make a topic at this forum about your car.

Groet,
Fred
Futher you must make the car stiffer than the original 850. I can help you with that.

[fredabarth]

In the past weeks I made up the mold for the rear spoiler. Because it will be made out of fiberglass I needed good weather with nice tempatures. You can do this in the wintertime, but you must use a heater and in my garage there is no heating system.
A small update from the rear spoiler. First I build a steel spoiler as the first mold.

[fredabarth]

Then I made the steel mold ready for the fiberglass. I had to made the fiberglass mold in 5 pieces, or else never get the final product out of the mold.
The black stuff is the gelcoat, after that will come the fiberglass.

[fredabarth]

After the both sides are done with glasfiber I can go on with the parts in the middle of the mold.
Also get the black gelcoat on it and after that again the glasfiber.
And so on until you've got 5 pieces, polish the glasfiber mold and than put on 5 to 8 layers of wax.

[diogenes850n]

incredible work of professionals, I want one, please sell me one is great.
You impress me every day more, Greetings Fred

[fredabarth]

No problem! I can sell you one!
With this mold I can make a lot of those spoilers.
But still I'm not a professional!!
This weekend I'm going to make the first product!

[diogenes850n]

Well looks like a job done by a professional,
and box instruments you have made ​​molds.
I'm really impressed great job !!!
regards

[fredabarth]

The first spoiler is out of the mold. I had to make in two steps.(see photo's)
Now I have fit it on an original rear engine cover.
I cut the original cover to a minimum and then glew the spoiler to the cover.

[fredabarth]

A quick pre-fit of the spoiler. Don't mind the original engine cover.

[diogenes850n]

Fred is running great, really an outstanding job.
be sure to send pictures.
regards

[pblake]

Hi Fred. I have been watching bits of your project for a year or two but have just now read it all. You are doing an amazing job.
I finished building my OT 1600 replica in 2013, and ran it in Targa Tasmania in 2013 and 2014. Mine has a Renault 16 gearbox, 1600 Fiat 124 Sport engine with 40 IDFs, Alfa 33 rear hubs and axles. Very different from yours but still looks like the real thing. Maybe a bit wider!
Mine is yellow because that's the colour we paint our cars.
Good luck with the project. You will enjoy driving it. I do.

[fredabarth]

Thanks Pblake for your compliments about the car I build.
I saw photo's of your car at the internet and it seems to me that you're really enjoy your car.
I know for sure that it will drive very fast!!!

I wish you a lot of fun also with your car!!

Groet,
Fred

[marconi]

Hello Mr. Fred

I really like your work, work of, not master but, an artist! Great stuff! Like that grill!
You are science teacher, listen Iron Maiden and great in mechanical engineering! I wish that you are my dad :)

I see on your photos that you have interesting B&W posters of OT 1600. Where did you get it, can you share it, link or scan?
If isn't secret how much did you pay for those replica gauges? And what for are those 4 small ones; oil temp, water temp, fuel level and ???
I'm not mechanic, looking at exhaust you made, should there, in box, be some filters or so?

I think that your beige colour should be more darker (see pic below). Everything other, perfect.

There was mentioned some 5, 6 OT 1600 were made, no.
Long story short; 1964 in Abarth factory there was made 4 of them. After Torino Auto Show 1964 and big success at press with OT 1600 Mr. Abarth decide to make even more powerful OT. One of those 4 was strip out and 2000 engine added, white/red colour, inch wider rear wheels and Mostra was born. 1965 Fiat give red lights for both versions and everything were over. All 4 of them did buy one man and this is from his book 'Abarth Bible' - Mr. Cosentino.

OT 1600 today?
1. OT 1600 in perfect condition along with Mostra, in Japan:

From Japan collection; OT 2000 Coupe 'America', OT 2000 Berlina 'Mostra', OT 1600 Berlina, 1000 TC Radiale Berlina Corsa

2. In USA, in bad condition (was?):


More: http://www.autosportgallery.com/tom's_toys.html

3. You mentioned in collection of Mr. Moell(?!?). I did look at Mr. Moell collection on YouTube, but didn't see it. Can you upload some pics of it, that can be "official"? Maybe he got the 2nd one, so 3rd would be gone, destroyed.

I found 6 replicas of OT 1600/2000 look-a-like on net, can upload them if interested.

Finally, why you didn't go for, how Mr. Abarth called it, 'OT Mostra'???

All best to you and your OT 1600. Hope you wouldn't crash it like you did more then 20 (!) Berlinas :)

Regards, marconi

P.S. I see that your OT is finish, but here are some prospects. They mentioned about wheels, alloys front 6x13 with 5" rubbers and rear 7x13 with 6" rubbers